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Sunday, November 18, 2012

THE DEBATE OF THE FORTNIGHT [SUNDAY 18 NOVEMBER 2012 TO SATURDAY 1 DECEMBER 2012]



NOTE: I will post a debate on a topic of this blog every fortnight. It will be twice in a month. In memory of PC Sharon Beshenivsky, I post this debate from BBC:

Head to head: Death penalty [Last Updated: Tuesday, 22 November 2005, 02:24 GMT]

The shooting in Bradford of trainee policewoman Sharon Beshenivsky has prompted renewed calls for the return of the death penalty for those who kill police officers. 

But should we bring back hanging? Leading figures from both side of the debate discuss the issue: 

CLIVE STAFFORD SMITH, HUMAN RIGHTS GROUP REPRIEVE
How can the death of a police officer suddenly be the reason to have the death penalty when killing two little children in Soham wasn't? 

First let's be clear I have tremendous sympathy for the victims and the fact one's opposed to the death penalty does not mean one is in favour of innocent people being killed. 

There are two things about the death penalty. The first is that I've witnessed six people being executed in the electric chair and by lethal injection and in one of those six they managed to execute an innocent person. 

They executed Edward E Johnson, in Mississippi in 1987. He was innocent and I was representing him and I failed him. 

So until you convince me that human beings are infallible, you're not going to get me to agree to the death penalty. 

The other thing about the death penalty is that it achieves absolutely nothing. 


“It (the death penalty) does nothing for the victims. We drag them through appeals and stays and it ruins their lives”
Clive Stafford Smith


Whenever you witness it it's always at night because we are really uncomfortable about the whole process. 

When you come out of the execution chamber and look up at the stars and ask yourself, 'Is the world suddenly a better place because that person has been executed?' the answer is 'No'. 

It does nothing for the victims either. We drag them through appeals and appeals and stays and it just ruins their lives. 

The death penalty achieves nothing except to degrade us all. 

There are many arguments but to take the bottom line, which is really important for me, we should ask whether we should be in the business of revenge. 

And when you put it bluntly, should we encourage our citizens to be vengeful or compassionate? We all know the answer but it's somehow still possible for people to argue for the death penalty.
I always think of Lorilei Guillory, the mother of a six-year-old child who was killed by one of my clients, Ricky Langley, who was given lots of false promises by the prosecution that she would feel better if he was executed. 

But she finally realised it was awful and ended up testifying for us that she didn't want him to die. She is someone I admire and respect immensely. 

In the US it costs two-and-a-half times as much to execute someone as it does to keep them in prison for ever. 

Some people argue they should speed the process up to make it cheaper but they make so many mistakes that if this happened they would simply end up executing more innocent people.

MICHAEL WINNER, POLICE MEMORIAL TRUST CHAIRMAN
I extend it to more than people who kill police officers. The laws in this country are stacked against the good people and in favour of the bad people. 

I mean, what is the point of keeping people alive at great expense in prison when they're murderers and villains and of incredible evil. 

There's no question if the nation voted on this there would be an overwhelming vote for the death penalty and the nation is right. 

We're far too nice to those who are attacking us and murdering us and raping us, far too kind. They get a minimal sentence and they're out in half an hour anyway and there's no deterrent, so I'm definitely for the death penalty and for the police having guns so they can protect themselves. 

If those two girls had gone in with guns, and they'd been trained of course to use the guns, we don't know what would have happened. It may be the villain got shot and killed, in which case I would say 'hooray'. 

In every battle against evil, sadly, very sadly, some innocent people do die. Otherwise we wouldn't have fought WWII and we'd all be under German occupation. 

Of course people have made mistakes but they're very rare and we face increasing danger from vicious gangs from eastern Europe, from China, from Africa and our own home-grown gangs as well. 

Guns can be bought very easily and the police should have guns and there should be a death penalty for a number of offences. 

I'm not convinced the world is not a better place for the victims [when the culprit is executed] - well of course if the victim's dead, that's all over but a victim's family would be, I would think on the whole, delighted that the person who had killed their young son or daughter received the same penalty.

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